Only one monitor saying it's scam still doesn't mean nothing concrete yet, as it may have happened that they aren't advertising with them. But till Wednesday it was with paying status everywhere...
I'm here again to leave here a copy of a thread I left to a fellow investor at Youmilex forum at HYIP.com. As you can see more and more people is getting to a saturation point with monitors and scammers admin. I answered just to one member but when you pass there again check how may investors are becoming, I would say, out of their minds with this current totally unacceptable situation. Hope this isn't to boring my friend. All the best
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papaw :
Hello All, One week with a pending amount of over $700. I have always tried to defend Youmilex but now there is no response from support tickets. Tradelite EkoFunds BamaInvest etc. when will it stop? How do we keep these CRIMINALS off the internet? If they aren't paying then their website should be suspended so they can't solicit other people to invest in their fraudulent company. How do we achieve this? Does anyone know how we can get this accomplished? Papaw
Dear Papaw,
Your questions are mine, and, I believe, of 99% of common investors too. The answer my friend is (still) blowing in the wind and I don't know when that wind will be on our favour. I've seen here and at other forums same questions asked in your terms or Dapper's, King's, and so many other fellow investors including me, but the truth is that we're not achieving anything that might result in our benefit. I have a lot of complaints too. I've been making them here at hyip.com and other forums. But I think complaining only are not enough - even if a lot of complaints begin to make enough "noise" to, for instance, see some program's status being changed at monitors. Action is required once and for all. The first move should be ours (investors) as our money is the blood that makes this "business" survive. However, we should not forget that we entered voluntarily in a highly risky business. We knew from the beginning that "rules" here aren't the same as in a common investment. Hereupon, I'm not saying that we shall remain in a prostrate and resigned atitude as meek lambs, accepting that our "shepherds" lead us wherever and the way they want. No! I said it before: SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! But, even if I'm feeling trully disappointed with monitors I can't blame them for everything that went wrong with my investments. Please don't think that the above words are a deffense to monitors. As I stated I'm really pissed with them as during the past two months following monitor's recommendations (including this one) I've lost more than $ 600 (which fortunatelly I do not need to eat). But we need them as they need us (our $) if they want to survive. What we really need are monitors that we can really trust. I don't want to stick them all in the same bag. There are better and worse. A totally reliable one in my opinion doesn't exist. As we are in their home let's talk about HYIP.COM. The truth (and they know it) is that they've been presenting programs that weren't paying for 4, 5 or even more days to investors with paying status. But: 1- They weren't (aren't) the only ones. Most of the so called top monitors commit the same "sin" 2- As far as I know they never censored a bad commentary (see some previous mine, for instance) about the situation. And it wouldn't make any sense acting in other way. A good reputation takes quite a long time to be built but can fall down at a glance. I see (hope I'm not wrong) good will from Alex on the answer he made to Dapper. I've seen it before (in line with the aforementioned problem, it is true). My point is this: we MUST urgently reach a consensus between investors and monitors (I leave out the program's administrations because, in 99% of cases this distance investor/monitor only brings benefits to them. The more we are disunited, the better). I've seen many different suggestions from fellow investors trying to change things. From an investment strike to a HYIP Union I've seen many things. Maybe they are valid, maybe they aren't. The only way we could know is getting the more opinions we can, filter them discuss them, uniting all interested ones trying to achieve something positive. How? You may ask! Well. I really don't know. I may just let here a humble suggestion: how about opening a specific forum with this subject that affects us so strongly? It should be based on "neutral ground" or we run the immediate risk to create "jealousy" among the various institutional players (it's so easy to create a Blog nowadays). It shouldn't take any other party than the sole purpose of helping investors. There would not be money directly involved (such as ads and so on). It should be open to everybody who really wants to make the hyip business better whether they are investors or monitors (even some program's admins should be allowed to get in). I think everyone would have to gain from this. Thanks for your patience of reading me. Wish you the best luck in your investments. Best Regards
Absolutely. this helps a lot we need more people to utilize said resources in order to regulate the HYIP arena. Thanks friend that was extremely helpful.
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KILL AVERAGE
28.7 Days + 0.6
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Will this be the first sign that things are beginning to fall down at Olympex?
ReplyDeleteGoldPoll paying 4
HYIP.COM paying 6
HYIPInvestment paying 13
HYIPmonitor paying 2
Invest-Tracing scam 84
Only one monitor saying it's scam still doesn't mean nothing concrete yet, as it may have happened that they aren't advertising with them. But till Wednesday it was with paying status everywhere...
HI again my friend,
ReplyDeleteI'm here again to leave here a copy of a thread I left to a fellow investor at Youmilex forum at HYIP.com. As you can see more and more people is getting to a saturation point with monitors and scammers admin.
I answered just to one member but when you pass there again check how may investors are becoming, I would say, out of their minds with this current totally unacceptable situation. Hope this isn't to boring my friend.
All the best
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January 30th, 2009
10:35 am
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papaw :
Hello All, One week with a pending amount of over $700. I have always tried to defend Youmilex but now there is no response from support tickets. Tradelite EkoFunds BamaInvest etc. when will it stop? How do we keep these CRIMINALS off the internet? If they aren't paying then their website should be suspended so they can't solicit other people to invest in their fraudulent company. How do we achieve this? Does anyone know how we can get this accomplished? Papaw
Dear Papaw,
Your questions are mine, and, I believe, of 99% of common investors too. The answer my friend is (still) blowing in the wind and I don't know when that wind will be on our favour.
I've seen here and at other forums same questions asked in your terms or Dapper's, King's, and so many other fellow investors including me, but the truth is that we're not achieving anything that might result in our benefit.
I have a lot of complaints too. I've been making them here at hyip.com and other forums. But I think complaining only are not enough - even if a lot of complaints begin to make enough "noise" to, for instance, see some program's status being changed at monitors. Action is required once and for all. The first move should be ours (investors) as our money is the blood that makes this "business" survive.
However, we should not forget that we entered voluntarily in a highly risky business. We knew from the beginning that "rules" here aren't the same as in a common investment. Hereupon, I'm not saying that we shall remain in a prostrate and resigned atitude as meek lambs, accepting that our "shepherds" lead us wherever and the way they want. No! I said it before: SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!
But, even if I'm feeling trully disappointed with monitors I can't blame them for everything that went wrong with my investments.
Please don't think that the above words are a deffense to monitors. As I stated I'm really pissed with them as during the past two months following monitor's recommendations (including this one) I've lost more than $ 600 (which fortunatelly I do not need to eat). But we need them as they need us (our $) if they want to survive.
What we really need are monitors that we can really trust. I don't want to stick them all in the same bag. There are better and worse. A totally reliable one in my opinion doesn't exist. As we are in their home let's talk about HYIP.COM.
The truth (and they know it) is that they've been presenting programs that weren't paying for 4, 5 or even more days to investors with paying status. But: 1- They weren't (aren't) the only ones. Most of the so called top monitors commit the same "sin" 2- As far as I know they never censored a bad commentary (see some previous mine, for instance) about the situation.
And it wouldn't make any sense acting in other way. A good reputation takes quite a long time to be built but can fall down at a glance.
I see (hope I'm not wrong) good will from Alex on the answer he made to Dapper. I've seen it before (in line with the aforementioned problem, it is true).
My point is this: we MUST urgently reach a consensus between investors and monitors (I leave out the program's administrations because, in 99% of cases this distance investor/monitor only brings benefits to them. The more we are disunited, the better).
I've seen many different suggestions from fellow investors trying to change things. From an investment strike to a HYIP Union I've seen many things. Maybe they are valid, maybe they aren't. The only way we could know is getting the more opinions we can, filter them discuss them, uniting all interested ones trying to achieve something positive.
How? You may ask! Well. I really don't know.
I may just let here a humble suggestion: how about opening a specific forum with this subject that affects us so strongly? It should be based on "neutral ground" or we run the immediate risk to create "jealousy" among the various institutional players (it's so easy to create a Blog nowadays). It shouldn't take any other party than the sole purpose of helping investors. There would not be money directly involved (such as ads and so on). It should be open to everybody who really wants to make the hyip business better whether they are investors or monitors (even some program's admins should be allowed to get in).
I think everyone would have to gain from this.
Thanks for your patience of reading me. Wish you the best luck in your investments.
Best Regards
Hi,
ReplyDeleteDoes this help : http://www.dreamteammoney.com/index.php?showtopic=68607 ?
Jim,
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. this helps a lot we need more people to utilize said resources in order to regulate the HYIP arena. Thanks friend that was extremely helpful.
No problem. You can achieve more as a group.
ReplyDeleteYou're definitely right friend, thanks again for the information, keep it coming.
ReplyDeleteHey Jim have you joined DEATHWATCH yet friend?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean ? I read it everyday and have it bookmarked.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely my friend and that's great to hear!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm asking is have you became a member by adding yourself as a follower by using the "follow this blog" tool provided by blogger.
Again many thanks for your participation friend.